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Silverton Students Visit with Durango Atheists!

by Larry Bollinger

On September 25, 2018 Kathleen O’Conner, Lindsay Baxendale
and I had the pleasure of meeting with a group of high school students from
Silverton. The dozen or so students, ranging from 9th through 12th
grade, were members of Mr. Jordan Bierma’s humanities class. They were in the
process of visiting various ‘faith’ communities in the Four Corners vicinity to
acquaint themselves with their neighbors’ differing religious perspectives. We
were delighted that Mr. Bierma thought to include Durango Skeptics and Atheists
in their inquiry!

Being the ‘angry’ Atheist in our delegation (Kathleen is the ‘voice of reason/maternal/comforting’ Atheist and Lindsay representing the ‘next generation’ Atheists), I was conscious of my obligation not to be argumentative or appear to want to de-convert our guests. (Always a struggle for me!) Kathleen led off with the bottom line of Atheism: “We don’t believe in God. Period. Full stop.” In fact, she explained further, we try to purge all superstitions from our daily lives. We don’t ‘believe’ or have ‘faith’ in anything that can’t be supported by Evidence.

Our position thus staked out with an epic economy of words,
we were left with approximately 59 minutes of our allotted hour to be filled
with student questions. They asked how each of us came to our Atheism. For my
part, it was a gradual dawning (after enduring 8 years of indoctrination at the
hands of the good nuns of Our Lady of Grace Elementary School) that Roman Catholicism
was riddled with bizarre voodoo-like beliefs that were relentlessly anti-human,
arbitrary and cruel. Added to that, I realized that there was no evidence
whatsoever to convince me that there was a loving Father/Creator God driving
the bus. Quite the opposite, in fact. Author Jim Holt* put it best: “God is 100%
malevolent, but only 80% effective”. And that describes the observable world perfectly,
IMHO!

Kathleen brought out the Dawkins Scale and we each explained where we rate ourselves; Both Kathleen and Lindsay are high 6’s out of 7, leaving a bit of wiggle room as to whether any god exists. I don’t believe in hedging my bets…I am a full-blown 7, convinced that there are no gods, end of story. BUT, we all said, confront us with incontrovertible evidence of a loving God and we will change our minds in a heartbeat. (Really, a loving God should WANT to reveal him/herself to humankind in an unambiguous way. If God willed it, we could all be presented with indisputable proof of his/her existence. Boom. But there’s just radio silence beyond the ‘word of God’ as portrayed in the Bible. Don’t get me started on the Bible).

The take-away nugget we tried to emphasize was the difference between ‘faith’ and Atheism: Faith is a knowledge statement – an assertion of factdespite the absence of evidence.  Atheists, on the other hand, try to form a world view based on the model of scientific inquiry: observe, hypothesize, form a theory that fits the observed facts. Then we stand by those facts, ever mindful that we must change even our most fundamental beliefs if presented with contradictory facts and evidence.

We were asked if ‘religion’ (small ‘r’ intentional) should be taught in school. Our answer was an enthusiastic ‘YES!’ but only if it’s an objective, comparative study and not devotional instruction. I think that may have surprised some who probably expected overt hostility from us towards all religious thought. But a comparative study of religious practices just equips a person with understanding that may lead to compassion and empathy for others’ perspectives and cultures. Exactly what the Silverton students were accomplishing in their quest visiting temples, mosques and churches. And visiting the Durango Library to meet with The Atheists!

Lindsay asked a great question as we were about to break up
the meeting. “Did any of you change your opinion about Atheists as a result of
this discussion?” I would very much like to report that every single one of
them renounced their birth religions and signed up to be members of DS&A. But
Reality is never as tidy or accommodating as that! The fact is that most of the
students had no opinion of Atheists one way or the other going into our meeting…and
what they took away in their heads, remained in their heads. We provided our
guests with a suggested reading list and our ‘What is Durango Skeptics and
Atheists’ FAQ sheet, hoping to plant a few seeds that might persuade the
students to use the lens of Rationality to make good decisions in their lives. Kathleen
adds: “I found the experience to be very positive! I thought the students were
inquisitive, polite and genuinely curious about atheism. I enjoyed their
thought-provoking questions, and I hope they all left with a positive
impression of atheists and atheism in general.”

The kids sent a nice ‘thank-you’ card!

We are very grateful to Mr. Bierma for providing us an
opportunity to meet his class! Call on us anytime!

Thanks, guys…we had fun too!

  • *NYT Best-seller Why Does the World Exist?

A Letter to Oprah From an Atheist

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Dear Oprah,

I heard your interview with Diana Nyad, a self-proclaimed atheist, the other day. As someone who has respected and admired you for all the accomplishments you’ve achieved in your life, I was saddened and disappointed by your inaccurate characterization of atheists. After Ms. Nyad told you she was an “atheist with awe”, you said this:

“Well, I don’t call you an atheist then. I think if you believe in the awe and the wonder and the mystery, then that is what God is.” 

Of course, the implication here is that atheists are incapable of experiencing feelings of wonder and awe.

This could not be more false.

Do you really think atheists never watch sunsets or admire a desert sky at night? Do you honestly believe atheists are incapable of feeling the amazement of life as they witness, for example, the birth of their child? Or marvel at the ever-present contradictions between beauty and suffering in Nature?  All of these things and more elicit a sense of wonder and awe that is not the exclusive right of those who claim to be spiritual and/or religious.

It only takes being human.

Not all of us humans buy into the whole god thing. But so what? How a person treats themselves and others is far more important than whether they believe in supernatural beings. I get the feeling you think that a person who does not believe in a god is missing something from their life. Let me assure you that we are not. If one of us is indeed missing something out of life, it most likely has more to do with ourselves. Not whether we believe in a god. Seeking truth instead of relying on faith has its own beauty and rewards.  Astronomer and atheist Carl Sagan once said,

“The nitrogen in our DNA, the calcium in our teeth, the iron in our blood, the carbon in our apple pies were made in the interiors of collapsing stars. We are made of starstuff.”

Does this sound like the musings of a person who does not experience the wonderment of life? He puts it more eloquently than I ever could.

I think back to the early morning hours when my son was born. The feelings associated with seeing him for the first time, holding him during his first moments of life- those emotions were exploding with the awe and wonder! No belief in a god was necessary to experience that. Perhaps you would say, as you did to Ms. Nyad, “well, then I don’t consider you an atheist.” My response to this would be, “why do you get to create your own personal definition of what atheism is?” Atheism is defined as lacking a belief in a god or gods. It’s really that simple. Why must you mold Ms. Nyad’s atheism into something more palatable for you to digest? Perhaps you need to get to know more atheists. I think you would find that we are not all that different from you. We love, we cry, we feel deeply, we fear, we get angry, we admire, we stand out looking at the world and, yes, we do feel the wonder and awe of it all.

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